Subject: Days of our Lives #90
Date: Fri Oct 10, 2002


I welcome articles, BIO's, stories, etc and certainly hope that all ASA Turkey Vet's will contribute and make the newsletter worthwhile. You can write whatever message you would like, and it will show up right here for you to share with the ASA Turkey group! I will respond to all e-mails and will assist whenever needed, but reserve the right to edit for content and clarity and welcome any errors that may appear herein. Thank you, Elder RC Green, aka gH (


The DAYS OF OUR LIVES newsletter is now posted on Bill Simons SINOP website at
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I received word that Clifford L. "Biff" Charron, the first Command Sergeant Major of ASA died in September 2002. I've been told the Army has scheduled burial at Arlington for 12 November, but could be held on 24 October. Biff's wife, Claire, died in August 1999. We were friends of the Charron's at Bad Aibling in the early 60's when Biff was the Operations Sergeant and Fred Fortune was the Sgt Major there.

In May 1969 the Non-Commissioned Officers of the US Army Security Agency dedicated a memorial to those members of the command who had lost their lives in combat. On the front, under the seal of the Army Security Agency, are the words "In memory of USASA Soldiers Who Have Made The Supreme Sacrifice" Inscribed on the sides of the memorial are the names of those killed in action and the date. A key player in bringing this memorial to fruition was CSM Clifford L. Charron, first ASA CSM. We wish to acknowlege his efforts in seeing that these men were remembered in this memorial. The memorial remained at Arlington Hall Station until the US Army Intelligence and Security Command relocated to Ft. Belvoir, VA. It was then moved to Ft. Belvoir and rededicated by the Non-Commissioned Officers of INSCOM.

CSM Clifford L. Charron


CSM Clifford L. Charron, (Biff), a soldier's soldier, served in combat in the European Theater with the 66th Infantry Division and the 4th Armored Division from 1943 to 1945. Following several stateside assignments, he was assigned to the 24th Infantry Division in Japan in June 1949. He served with the division in combat in Korea until he was transferred to the Joint Military Advisory Group, Japan in September 1950. He served there until the end of the Korean War. He later switched from combat arms to military intelligence, where he served in a variety of key intelligence assignments in Europe and the United States. His concern for the morale and esprit de corps of his soldiers was manifested in his involvement in two major projects that still endure today. Sergeant Major Charron was instrumental in the founding of the Army Security Agency (ASA) Benefit Association, which provides funds to families of ASA members killed in the line of duty and education benefits to their survivors. He was also a key figure in the planning, design, and construction of the permanent memorial honoring ASA noncommissioned officers killed in action; it is located at the U.S. Army Intelligence and Security Command Headquarters at Fort Belvoir, Virginia. He concluded his career as the first Command Sergeant Major of the U.S. Army Security Agency.

ANDRESS, Chris, SP5 05H Det 4-4, 70-71 [I don't have the DOB or DOD, but Greg Kearney promised to send the details soon.
[edited] Greg Kearney, Chuck Carpenter, Rod Isler and Paula Andress and about 40 Family members and friends attended the memorial service for Chris Andress at the Old Chapel on the grounds of Fort Myer, VA on September 3, 2002. Internment followed in the "Columbarium" at Arlington National Cemetery. . The National Park Service also had about 30 people in attendance and they co-ordinated the reception that followed. The Chris Andress Family added this thought: "Throughout Chris' career and our time together living and working in beautiful and interesting places, the NPS family has always been the most important resource. Our family extends its deepest gratitude for the support and love which has helped to sustain us through the past months. We appreciated spending time with family and friends in Washington D.C. when we honored Chris and celebrated his life." For those who knew Chris at Karamursel, they know that Chris was one of the guys you really enjoyed knowing. Chris's death was rather sudden and reminds us all again of how fragile our existence really is and we should savor our family and friends because we really don't know how long we will be able to enjoy them. Paula can be reached at for those who would like to send comforting words to her during this time of grieving- - -gH

CASSELBERRY, Walter F E5 Det 27, 65-66, born: 28 June 1944 died: 15 August 1997 at Lewisburg, Union County, PA DONSTON, Alan, E6 Det 4, 72-73, DOB 13 February 1935 DOD 5 September 1998, widow Marilyn lives in Fitchburg, MA. Al entered the following on Vern's website just before he passed away: Great page and you sure can find a lot of lost friends. Seems like a long time ago and we still have ASA meetings in Ayer, MA every other Wed., 11:30 for lunch and BS. Great times by all whether they are ASA or INSCOMERS but most of the time the Inscom people think we are lying when we tell them about burning out the SGM in Sinop for ------g with the troops. What Fire.

HEIL, Richard M., E3-E5, 98GRU, Det 27, 65-66, died in 1968 from auto accident per Tom Hall

JOHNSON, Pat Hubern, Det 4, 61-62 SFC (Ret) Pat Hubern Johnson, age 66, of Ward Arkansas passed away March 13, 2002 of a heart attack. Pat was born on January 19, 1936 and served 22 years in the Army. His ASA assignments included Sinop (61-62), Augsburg (71-72) and Shemya (72-73). Hi is survived by his wife of 42 years, Amelia Rosas Johnson, a daughter Dana Johnson of San Antonio, a son Pat Johnson II and his wife Sherry, and three grand children.
, Paul, 058 Det 27 @63, DOB: 17 February 1941, DOD: August 1984, SSN 009-28-2249 iss VT per information from Gary Winch

LYNCH, David J., Maj, AIS, Det 27, 63-65, DOB: 6 December 1929 DOD: 20 May 1995 at Rockville, MD per Gary Winch

MINARSICH, Donald G E5 Det 27, 65-66, born: 24 February 1944 died: May 1982 **************************************************************************************************************************************

MILITARY FUNERAL HONORS Military funeral honors is a statutory benefit for all veteran's who served at least one term of enlistment and separated under conditions other than dishonorable. The family of an eligible veteran can expect TAPS, FLAG FOLDING and FLAG PRESENTATION at the funeral. Please store the following Military Funeral Honor details away whenever the fateful day arrives for any veteran: or call 1-877-645-4667


I recently purchased the ASA RVN patch attachment in the lobby of the PX at Fort Carson, CO. The ASA Det patches attachment hangs in my DOOL office. The background board was originally part of a plaque that had a Turkish hatchet thereon that I received when I departed 4-4 in October 1968. I believe that 1SG Wilbur Rodkey had it made and given out at a going away party. Does anyone else have one of these? I transferred the hatchet to a larger board in our family room. Roger Glubka (Det 27, 64-65) had 100 each of the Det 27 and 4-4 patches made in South Korea. The workmanship on the patches is excellent and the size is 4". The cost per patch is $5. To order a patch or patches, send SASE with your address thereon and a check to Elder RC Green, 3094 Warren Rd., Indiana, PA 15701


The Shankville1 attachment is Patty Green at the temporary Flight 93 memorial at Shanksville, PA.

The Shankville3 attachment is gH and the rest is self explanatory.

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Please update your records to reflect the following change of my e-mail address... Thanks and keep up the fine work. W.J. (Bill) Cook, Sr. Det 27 1962-64 New e-mail address for Roy & Mary Norman, After 25 October we will no longer receive e-mail through the address. Mary Norman

PERLOWSKI, James L., 71Q, PFC, Det 27, 64-65, (Charlene-div), 6333 Copperfield Ave., Las Vegas, NV 89108, 702-646-7142, - Mauler editor in 65 - Elder, As I promised you, I have found the following issues of the "Mauler". I had stashed away years ago. These are the only copies known to survive.
Please, please treat them very carefully and return them as soon as you are finished copying them. My best to you and yours. Sorry I couldn't make the reunion - maybe the next one. I will send the copies either FEDEX or UPS. Thanks for being so patient. Your friend, Jim Perlowski

Vol. 3. No. 1 - November, 1964
Vol. 3. No. 2 - March, April,
Vol. 3. No. 3 - May, 1965
Vol. 3. No. 4 - June, 1965
Vol. 3. No. 5 - July, 1965
Vol. 3. No. 6 - August, 1965
Vol. 3. No. 7 - September, 1965
Vol. 3. No. 8 - October, 1965
Vol. 3. No. 9 - November, 1965


Please don't let accumulated photo's and other TURKEY related order's, etc deteriorate in albums or shoe boxes. Send them to me and I'll scan them and later include in the DOOL and the Memory Book to ensure that your treasures will survive and be enjoyed for the next 20 years or so by us 'old' ex-ASA Turkey birds. I will scan the 9 Manzarali Maulers that Jim Perlowski is sending and include the worthwhile items in the DOOL and the Memory Book. After scanning I will return the fragile papers per his request. It took Jim about two months to find them in his storage area. I try my darnest to keep track and paste entries as I get them, but sometimes get side-tracked and data is missed, especially the items for the Memory Book. I have a bad habit of shoving sheets of notes into a pile on my desk, while I promise myself that I'll tend to entering the data into the DOOL or the Memory Book. Later, but real soon, the pile gets too big and it is obscurred by all the other paper items that seem to be magnetically drawn to my desk. Then to make matters worse, I get busy or get visitors. My desk is a disaster. I grab the paper pile and shove it out of sight and tell myself that I'll remember them and that I'll sort them out 'real soon' once the visitors are gone. The headache begins when I look for the piles. They are AWOL because either I or Patty mistakeningly moved the piles..... I should know better, but in my old age I find that putting things off just causes complications. I sometimes forget to transfer data from the DOOL to the Memory Book file and that too causes headaches. Better to put everything in its place and transfer right away and not have to go looking for the AWOL's! Now, you know some of my problems. When I first started with the FOCK Rock series, I just roamed around with little or no particular plan and did not think that it would grow in leaps and bounds. In fact the plan was to enter the Memory Book data onto a Floppy disk! It was frustrating too! I felt like I hadn't made any progress at all and when my morale is down I don't have as much motivation. Now, the 2002 Memory Book is over 400 pages and growing. The cut-off date for those who haven't sent a BIO or photo's is 15 November 2002!! >*******************************************************************************************************

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Elder, I believe I have found another ASA Veteran who was in Samsun 56-57 time frame his name is Lee J. Knust and lives in Lowell, MA his e-mail is <> I'll keep looking:

Jerry Anderson, Det 27 (56-58). Thus far, Lee J. Knust has not responded. >-----------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------

BIRNBAUM, Robert (SJ) DOB 16JA47 E3-E5 98C2HU1 Det 4-4, 23FE70-22AU71, (Linda), 4142 57th St NW Rochester, MN 55901, 507-281-8237, - Dear Elder, Amazing! I got a call yesterday from Ernie Claudel who I had not talked to for a couple of years. We had kept in touch on and off since Turkey but not as much recently. Ernie told me about his contact with you and sent me the link to the DOOL web site. I have been skimming a few of the newsletters and it's incredible. I was at KAS/KCDI, Det 4-4, from Feb 70-Aug 71. I have kept in touch with a number of the people I met there and they are now the people I have known longer than anyone else aside from family. In fact, one of the main reasons I live in Minnesota is because of all the Minnesotans I met at Karamursel. Right now I am a little at a loss for words but I would like to be on your mailing list or the list to get the newsletters and other info about ASA-Turkey Vets and my ASA Tour of Duty is as follows: Robert Birnbaum, DOB: 1/16/47 (Most who knew me might remember me as SJ) Spouse: Linda 4142 57th St NW., Rochester, MN 55901, 507-281-8237, E-mail: In Turkey: Feb 23, 1970-Aug 22, 1971, Det 4-4. Rank: SP4 (promoted to SP5, Aug 71.) Service Dates: April 7,1969 - April 24, 1972 MOS: 98C2HU1 (Radio Traffic and Radio Teletype Analyst) Most of the time I was there Maj. Norman Frickey was the CO and Lt. Bob "Basketball Bob" Frank was the XO. A group of us from Det 4-4, mostly from the Midwest, used to get together for reunions but we haven't done that in years. Turkey was a wonderful experience and one of my goals in life is to get back there someday. That probably won't happen until my kids are done with college. After Karamursel, I went to Ft. Devens and was an instructor until my discharge in April 72. My next career move was to teaching kids with learning disabilities and in 1978 gave that up and went to law school. I practiced law for 15 years in Minnesota, Wisonsin and New York. In 1998 I was appointed to the District Court bench here in Rochester and was elected to a 6 year term in 2000. I would certainly love to hear from people I haven't seen or heard from in years and attend one of the reunions you've been organizing. I look forward to hearing from you. Bob Birnbaum [WOW - I wish that other NEWLY FOUND VET's would send me info like Bob Birnbaum did. It makes my job much easier and at the same time let's others know a little about 'old' lost friends.

BOWSER, Paul E4 MP Det 4, 68-69, - Elder: Please add me to the mailing list. I was stationed in Sinop in 68-69 and was a Spec. 4 MP. I have found the site amazing. After all these years I did not know there was such a thing. Brings back unbelievable memories, Thanks:Pastor Paul Bowser.

CARLSON, Allen C DOB 25JL46 E4 05K Det 4 & 4-4, @71, (Victoria-divorced), PO Box 300621, Chicago, IL 60630, 773-685-2419,

CLAUDEL, Ernie E3-E5 Det 4-4, 9DE70-31MR72, (Janet),1109 W. Wabash St., Olathe, KS 66061, 913-782-5139, <> Called Ernie on 20 October 2002. He was drafted into the Army and was the Personel Sgt at Det 4-4. - RC, Greetings from Kansas. I have been in contact with Gary Larson and given him your name and email. The number that I gave you in not a good one at this point. He will have good information for you. I am unable to find the Basketball picture I told you about but will contact you soon with a family picture. Great to know you! EC

DONSTON, Alan, DOB: 13 February 1935 DOD: 5 September 1998, E6, Det 4, 72-73, (Marilyn), 101 St. Martin St., Fitchburg, MA, 01420, 978-343-3916, I found Al's entry on Vern website, then found address and called Marilyn on 24 October 2002. She informed me that Al had passed away. He retired as a E7 and worked at USASATC&S until Devens closed. Al's short message to Vern: "Great page and you sure can find a lot of lost friends. Seems like a long time ago and we still have ASA meetings in Ayer, MA every other Wed., 11:30 for lunch and BS. Great times by all whether they are ASA or Inscomers but most of the time the Inscom people think we are lying when we tell them about burning out the SGM in Sinop for f-----g with the troops. What [a] Fire.

EARHART, Roger DOB 6MR50 E4 05K Det 4-4, JA70-72, (Janita-was at KAS), Rte 1, Box 110A, Eustis, NE 69028, 308-486-4741, no e-mail. Contacted on 20 October 2002. Jan joined him at KAS in March 1970 and they lived in Yalova. They both enjoyed their Tour of Duty in Turkey

HALL, Thomas E., DOB: 13OC42, PFC-SP6, 98GRU Det 27, AP65-JN67, (Shirley), Rte 1 Box 1970, Dadeville, MO 65635, 417-995-2881, no e-mail. Contacted on 22 October 2002. His roommate was Rudy Gordon. They played a lot of tennis. Remembers Dave Skinner, ? Oxley and Ron White. Said that Richard Heil, another Russian linguist died in 1968 from automobile accident.

HELTZEL, Martin C (Mark) 98C WO Det 120, 710 Bellevue Blvd N, Bellevue, NE 68005, 402-733-5637

McGOWAN, Terry M., DOB: 30JA49 E4 05K Det 4-4, JA70-71, (Diane), 211 Wildwood Ln., Bloomingdale, GA 31302, 912-748-0838, Contacted on 20 October 2002

OLSEN, Ben Oley Det 4 @56, 3879 W. Johnson St., Thatcher, AZ 85552, 928-428-1929, - Elder, I have located a Det 4 Veteran from around 1956 era and told him to contact you regarding DOOLS. His name is Benjamin (Oley) Olsen, e-mail address is, Ph (928)428-1929. I will keep looking for some of the older Veteran's from my time period and keep you advised. Thanks for all your effort with the reunion: Jerry Anderson, Det 27 J56-

RAFFENSBERGER, Vern E DOB 17MR38, E3-E5 058 Det 27, 61-63, (Stella), 214 Glen Rock Rd., Glen Rock, PA 17327, 717-235-6303, I contacted Vern on 19 Oct 2002. Was surprised to hear from another Manzarali vet. Lives about half hour from Hershey. Remembers Walt Dubicki and Jim Harber and several others including new names, John Kauffman, 059 and Larry Ellenberger, 059. Was on the Det 27 FENCING team with Gerald G. Gibbs and participated in MSC events at Incirlik; Greece, Italy and Germany. Promised to send BIO and photo's

***************************************************************************************************** THE CUBAN MISSILE CRISIS

How many of you remember in October 1962 (FORTY YEARS AGO) when the USA and USSR came frighteningly close to all-out war over Soviet missiles being based in CUBA. How many of you remember the FLASH and CRITIC messages that were generated during this period? How many of you remember the US missile units that were deployed in Turkey and Germany in 1959 that triggered the deployment of Soviet missiles to Cuba. Also, the Bay of Pigs fiasco took place in 1963. Please send me your comments and I'll lump them all together into one newsletter for everyone to enjoy and remember how the COLD WAR played a roll in our ASA lives.

WAITE, Daryl L E3-E4 Det 66, DE63-JA65, (Hope), 33 N. Washington, Carthage, IL 62321, 217-357-2884, <> - [edited] With all the new members of Det 4 coming on line, maybe someone will remember a Sp-5 James B. Puckett who lost a finger playing basketball at Sinop. I first met Puckett at the 519th Signal Company Ft. Gordon, GA. I left Ft. Gordon for Manzarali and Det 66 in mid-Dec 1963. Was at the AFEX in summer of 1964, when in walks Puckett, on a visit from Sinop. Didn't learn until recently (from a Det 4 vet) that he had an accident at Sinop - went for a slam-dunk, and ring caught on the hoop. Don't recall him missing a finger at the time, so accident must have happened later in 1964. Can anyone add to this? Daryl

MOORE, Jas B O1-O2 9620 Det 4-4, SE69-MR71, Opns O, (Linda), 4208 Evergreen Ln., Suite 235 Annandale, VA 22003, 703-658-2830 & 9118 Santayana Dr., Fairfax, VA 22031, 703-280-2726, <> & size=2> Elder, Randy Strickland and I are having a hard time placing the date of the 4-4 NCO picture. . There are several NCO's missing who should be in it. I think it must be from 1971 (after I left). I will look for the 1970 picture to see if I am hallucenating. Anyway, from left to right: Personnel sgt (sorry no name), SSG Walbert (05H trick chief), Gay, Disney, Frickey, John Clark, no idea, Adrian Smith (my OPS NCOIC), and of course Stanley Owens. Now that we are through October 15, I will see what else I might have. size=2>Later, Jim *****************************************************************************************************
LADY, Ken E5 058 Det 27, 61-62, (Donna), 1160 Berkeley St., Santa Monica, CA 90403, 310-828-3139,
Elder; Donna and I had great time at the reunion. Bob Murphy and Roy Norman and I have stayed in touch over the years and have visited each other. Bob said he was going, he lives in MD, then Roy in TX said he was going and I thought, let's go. I met two other guys that I haven't seen for years and we, and the wives, all got along like Turkey was only yesterday. Thank you for a wonderful time. The location was good, the Sat. dinner at the track provided plenty of good food. I know how hard it is to get everyone to make a commitment and try and get their money. I think you'll find the reunion crowd growing. You certainly deserved a vacation after the meeting.Thanks again. Ken Lady ------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------
RICHTER, Ralph E5 05K Det 27 , 66-67, (Linda & daughter Lee), 1413 Halfhill Way, Columbus, OH 43207, 614-497-2047, Top - Going to China next week on business-- 10/24-31. Will bring you and Patty back a prize from over there...
****************************************************************************************************** SIMONS, Bill, E3-E4 058 Det 4, DE59-DE60,
[edited] -
Hi gH, I was at Sinop from Dec. 59-Dec. 60 and have no recollection of an ASA Captain with surname of Elliot or the story of him buying a bear cub in Samsun and leaving it there. I do find it surprising that no one else has ever mentioned this Captain Elliott or the incidents elsewhere on the Sinop site during the five years that its been on the web. Is it possible that someone remembers this Capt Elliott. If so, get the info to gH so that we can locate him and get his version of the storey. Bill **************************************************************************************** WINCH, Gary W E3-E5 982 Det 27, SE62-JN64, (Marian), 105A Askewton Rd., Severna Park, MD 21146,
Hi Elder. At long last I'm enclosing my bio. It was your super effort to sponsor such a wonderful reunion that spurred me on to finish and send it along. Thanks, again, for your hard work on behalf of all former ASAers in Turkey! Cheers/Gary
Gary W. Winch, SP 5, Det 27, 982/TA, 25 Sep 62 - 21 June 64
105A Askewton Road
Severna Park, MD 21146-4603
(410) 647-2870

After leaving my home state of Vermont, and doing basic at Fort Dix and ASA training at Fort Devens, I arrived in Turkey, September 1962. For me, Turkey was a priceless education and a wonderful experience. To this day, my wife, Marian, and I keep in touch with two special friends (Elliott Potter and Joe Callahan), and their families, who I met and worked with at Manzarali Station. Other names that come to mind from my Turkey days include Ted Midtaune (with whom I've recently worked on the west coast), Dave Lynch (Ops Officer; Dave and I became good friends over the years, but, sadly he is now deceased), Tom Plunkett (I think he worked in the admin area), Paul Leonard (a ditty chaser, also from Vermont, and now deceased), Bob Martin (Comms Center), and Jim Tenant (SSgt and a linguist, I believe). After June of 1964, I returned to the USA, and finished my degree at the University of Vermont; I did my graduate work at Johns Hopkins University. In 1967, I started work at the National Security Agency, here in Maryland. After many good years with the government, including several overseas postings, I retired as NSA's Director of Policy in 1999. Having seen the world, but not our own country, Marian and I then decided to move to San Francisco where I worked for Lawrence Livermore National Laboratory until we moved back to Maryland late 2001. While in San Francisco, by-the-way, I ran into Mike Fisher, a former work mate and fellow Turkey "survivor". Marian and I were married in 1965 and we have two wonderful, married children. We moved back to our home here in Severna Park, Maryland late last year. *****************************************************************************************************

RICHARD, Gary E6-E7 05K Det 27 & 4-4, 66-NO69, (Carolyn), 12835 Castle Bend St., San Antonio, TX 78230, 210-492-2574, [edited] know it has been 33 years since I left Karamursel. I don't remember receiving a plaque when I departed 4-4. Our summer was so-so. My wife and I have volunteered at Rocky Mountain National Park the past two years (May - Sept) as Campground Host. This year we had to return home in July because of Carolyn's health. She needed an operation and received it in August. That's why the summer was so-so. I remember Buck Quickel, but I don't remember what our relationship was. Hope you and yours are well and had a great summer as well. Gary Richard *******************************************************************************************************

There is a rumor afloat that one of our own, namely Gary Jorgensen (ex 058 and Det 27 and 4-4) was stopped by a fish warden in Northern Minnesota recently with two buckets of fish leaving a lake well known for its fishing. The fish warden asked Jorgensen: "Do you have a license to catch those fish?" Jorgensen replied to the warden: "No, sir. These are my pet fish."

"Pet fish?" the warden replied.

"Yes, sir. Every night I take these fish down to the lake and let them swim around for a while. I whistle and they jump back into their buckets,and I take 'em home."

"That's a bunch of hooey! Fish can't do that!"

Jorgensen looked at the warden for a moment, and then said: "Here, I'll show you. It really works."

"O.K. I've GOT to see this!" the warden replied. Jorgensen poured the fish into the water and stood and waited. After several minutes, the warden turned to Jorgensen and said: "Well?"

"Well, what?" the bearded Jorgensen asked.

"When are you going to call them back?" the warden prompted.

"Call who back?" Jorgensen asked.

"The FISH."

"What fish?" .
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