Subject: DAYS OF OUR LIVES #95
Date: Fri, 13 Dec 2002 07:00:37 -0600


I welcome articles, BIO's, stories, etc and certainly hope that all ASA Turkey Vet's will contribute and make the newsletter worthwhile. You can write whatever message you would like, and it will show up right here for you to share with the ASA Turkey group! I will respond to all e-mails and will assist whenever needed, but reserve the right to edit for content and clarity and welcome any errors that may appear herein. Thank you, Elder RC Green aka gH,


Dear Mr. Green, My name is Oliver Schutzmann, Harold Schutzmann’s son. Maybe you knew my dad from Sinop. I am preparing a eulogy for my father who passed away last Wednesday. While searching the internet, I came across your note (below). I’ve gathered a lot of information about my dad that I want to put in my reading – from different periods of his life. From his time in Sinop he never told me a lot…apart from drinking stories, a soviet vessel wishing Merry Christmas, a guy from the basketball team called "big red" and someone people called "the plumber". As you may know, my father left the military and went to Spain because he loved to play the guitar. He stayed in Europe and ended up living in Germany. In that context, we haven’t been in touch with any of his old friends back home (e.g. high-school, Monterrey or Stanford University) If you knew my father, maybe there is something special you remember about him. Something humorous or maybe something that would best describe him in those days would be well appreciated. Many thanks in advance Oliver Schutzmann, Sachsenhäuser Landwehrweg 179, 60322 Frankfurt am Main, Germany - Tel.: ++49 69 130 258-12 Fax: ++49 69 130 258-20 Mob.: ++49 179 461 3306

SULLIVAN, Frank 98GRU Det 4, 71-72, Virginia Beach, VA, Was in sinop 70-73. Still think back on the experience. Frank Sullivan, Virginia Beach, VA

McCOLLUM, H.W Det 66, JL58-DE59, It was a long time ago that I was stationed in Turkey. In fact it was July 1958 to Dec 1959. My 1st 5 months were spent with JUSMAT as a weapons instructor and the last 13 months were with Det 66 which was Headquartered 1 block north and across the street from the American Embassy. I still get the opportunity to practice the language since there are a few Turkish students at the local University.
My ability to speak Turkisk almost got me recalled to active duty for Desert Storm but the was was called off a few days before I was scheduled to board the plane. Happy Holidays to you and yours.
Hosca Kal ; Gule Gule; Allahaismaladik; Elveda. H.W. McCollum

BERG, Donald G Det 4, 82-83, 206-221-2419,

It would appear that my tour in Sinop was pretty recent (82-83) compared to a lot of the people on your site. I do have VERY fond memories and always like to chat with old-time Sinopers.DONALD G. BERG
Academic Personnel Officer, School of Nursing, Box 357260, Univ of Washington, Seattle, WA 98195

JONES, Ira J., DOB: 2NO42, E4, 982, Det 27, 62-63, Jacksons Gap, AL 36861, Mississippi native now living in Alex.City, AL. I enjoyed my work in Manzarali especially 3rd shift mids in the T/A section. I did a lot of walking in Ankara to various places and sites; Olympic Hotel; Ataturk Park, Ataturk Blvd, the Citadel, big "K". etc. I remember several names of friends; Donald Messerely, the Teague Bros., Steven Schiff, Don Fox, Charley Eberhard, Jack Brabbits, to name a few. My time there was pretty uneventful, blissfully unaware of most real world events. I do recall one 4th of July celebration when we had a bond of Turks with camel caravan on post--game booths, beer and fun for all! I have worked in the plumbing wholesale business 10 years, ordained SBC minister 25 years, biovocational used car sales 10 years. I am married, have 2 married daughters and am looking forward to retirement and travel. I want go out west---Rocky Mountains and Alaska by travel trailer. I would like to hear from any ole friends from Det 27 days. Thanks for all you do for ASA vets. Ira

GREENIP, Randy Det 27, JN63-OC64, (Carole), 101 New Castle Ct., Youngsville, NC 27596, 919-554-9357, - Does anyone remember a company clerk, 63-64, named Pope, I think his first name was John. He got into trouble with the Turks and was kept on base. He was still there when I left. I wonder what ever happened to him. Randy Greenip

MIDTAUNE, Ted B., E4, 058, Det 27, 24OC62-64, (Merry), 3859 Santa Clara Way, Livermore, CA 94550, 925-443-325?, [edited] Elder, - I'm retiring on 10 January 2003 and will no longer have the use of and you will have to task another vet with forwarding the DOOL's to the 14 vet's that you assigned to me. I expect that within several months we will be back on line. I will notify you when that occurs in the hope that we can get back in communication.


VANNOY, Claude E., 03-04, Opns O, Det 27, JN65-JN68, (Ginny), 177 Welcome Home Rd., North Wilkesboro, NC 28659, 366-667-7036, Howard, Thank you for the re-transmittal of DOOL #94. I don't know why I was unable to open the attachment the first time you sent it to me. Also enjoyed reading your Bio. I was at Det 27 with my wife and children summer '65 to summer'68. I think Elder does a great job in producing the letters that are enjoyed by so many vets. I also know he was an outstanding NCOIC of the TA Section at Det 27.Thanks again, Claude Vannoy

Elder, thanks. The articles are fine, I merely edited some words. I'm afraid, however, that someone else will have to be tasked with forwarding the DOOL in the future. As of January 10th, I'm retiring and will no longer have the use of this e-mail address. Until we get a home e-mail set up, we will not be available on the net. I expect that within several months we will be back on line. I will notify you when that occurs in the hope that we can get back in communication. Thanks again, and will look forward to DOOL #95

KEARNEY, Greg P E5 05H Det 4-4 SE68-OC71, (Lonnie), 11426 Brawley Rd., Hesperia, CA 92345, 760-949-5731, gH, I knew I had a picture of the submarine that could be spotted around the Sea of Maramara from time to time. This is not the infamous Russian sub, but one of the Turkish subs seen from time to time. This picture was taken from my apartment where I lived on the third floor, about 1 block from the water, in Karamursel. I particularly liked this shot because it had the contrasting Turkish fishing boat in the foreground. I can remember watching these guys, doing diving exercises and manuevers with other ships in this area, quite a few times during my three year stay at Karamursel. I believe the subs were stationed, along with several small destroyer ships, at the Turkish Navy base at Golchuk. Everyone have a Merry Christmas and a very prosperous New Year !!! - Greg Kearney Det 4-4

MIDTAUNE, Ted B E4 05H Det 27, 24OC62-64, (Merry), 3859 Santa Clara Way, Livermore, CA 94550, 925-443-3252, Hey, Elder. Loved the message to Mr. Green. All this time and only now are they showing any respect?? What great timing you have! The package with the Det 27 hat, T-shirt, and an unexpected surprise golf shirt arrived just before Christmas 2001. The medium T was a perfect gift for my wife. Shame on me for not thinking that she would like a remembrance too. As it turned out, she was ecstatic over it, probably thinking that I had forgotten that she was over there also. The hat and Golf shirt are a big hit here in town and at work. They elicit many questions, and allow me to expand on ASA's role in the days of the Cold War. So, my friend, you did me a big favor. Well done, Green Hornet! Again you have gone above and beyond.
I work at the Lawrence Livermore National Lab. In Turkey, I was a ditty bopper on Trick 3. Made E-4 there, then E-3, then E-4 again! Remember the movie Midnight Express? Poor Calvin Pope. More about Calvin later in this BIO. I was fortunate to make E-5 at Ft Benning just in time for the free moving van home to Bemidji, Minnesota.

Memories of Ditty Bop School

To pass a level in Morse Code at Devens, a few of us friends would go out the nite before for a bout of drinking in Ayer. We didn't share that secret with everyone, but it was a pretty good guarantee of passing that level the next day. There's probably a scientific reason for that? Seems to me that a bunch of us got to 21 wp(something)!! I know that it was a milestone.

Some interesting memories of Turkey

- How about swimming with the cows and boating/water skiing at Lake Golbasi - nasty water. Fifty cent steaks in downtown Ankara, 25 cent haircuts, and the Mini-Roof atop one of the higher buildings, where they only served vodka and lemon juice, but what a tremendous view at nite.

- Top quality Varan buses to and from the Site. Stars & Stripes for news. Midnight chow served by some excellent German cooks. Or were we just that hungry? Met some fine people, and would not give the experience up for anything.
- I recall the time Elliot Potter, myself, Pat Patterson and one or two others got hold of a 1/2 ton (someone owes somebody big time), and went off site on a fishing trip into the desert south of Manzarali. I remember a garbage can (maybe two) full of beer, finding worms at a village watering hole where the women were washing clothes (and they couldn't understand what we wanted with worms - ever try explaining using worms for bait?), and after a day of driving found a brown stream (with trees!) where we caught a bunch of carp or sucker-like fish. The kids from the nearest village (a mile?) came out and had battles over who got each fish. A terrific weekend.

- Anyone remember Ted Nelson? Ted was from MN and served at Det 27 during the 63-64 period. Some kind of track champion in civvy life, played wide-out in flag football. I remember Jay Hunter and myself heaving the football down field as far as we could and he would run under it. "Trick 3 was boss"! Ted caused a minor stir at Manzarali when he brought over his habit of wearing women's pantyhose when he played/ran. Said that the nylon kept his legs warm. He did admit to wearing skin colored hose so he wouldn't have to put up with too much guff from the rest of us. I wouldn't be surprised to hear that he did something special after he got out of the service. Too bad that he has not been contacted as an alumni. Don't think that I will get enough of the stories, keep 'em coming. Merry’s arrival in Ankara

My wife Merry, (we were married in 1961 - 25 year old son and 22 year old daughter) came over to Ankara for the last year in Turkey and she worked for Chaplain DeVanney at Manzarali. We lived in Ankara and I more or less missed all the action out at Site 23 during the off hours. However, everyone from the site seemed to enjoy our apartment in Ankara! Seems like I remember .07 cent Heineken beer available from the Ankara PX. I know the bathtub was full of it along with ice from the Eskegee’s! I loved my ASA Tour of Duty in Turkey and especially my time at Site 23. The duty was so great that I never did see the weapon that was assigned to me when I first arrived! It was a time when people served with honor and I am very proud of the time that I put in.
Merry and I were living in Ankara during the revolution and still remember waking up early one morning to a plane flying over the apartment building, strafing the streets. Tanks, etc., firing on the military buildings - the War College Building took a beating. We stayed home and drank beer for 3 days as I recall.
Bob Hope visit in 1963
Ankara was privileged to be one of the annual Christmas overseas sites that Bob Hope visited back in 1963. I have no programs or other memorabilia to remind me of that visit, but do have some vague memories of Joey Heatherton, and of course his usual Miss USA, or some other lady whom everyone went nuts over. Was this the time that the lady did the reverse strip? This comes to mind because Bob Hope’s birthday was recently, when it was mentioned that his age precludes his doing his overseas thing any more. What a shame - he was the antithesis of Jane Fonda, heh? And for many more years than she got her anti-war headlines. I do not think that I go too far when I say he was/is a true American hero!

The assination of JFK
I remember the Turkish people crying in the streets when President Kennedy was shot.

The 2001 reunion at Fort Devens
We had reservations and everything packed (including the photo album) to fly from California to Bangor , ME to visit with another Det 27 friend, Elliot Potter, and his wife Candy and then to Fort Devens for the first reunion. But 911 changed those plans. Received the 2001 Reunion Badge, and greatly appreciate you sending it. The theatre ticket on the reverse is unique! The only thing missing was me at the Reunion! Also received your master list mailing. Did see some new names, and will be contacting a few, but there are a bunch missing from the '62-'64 time frame at Det 27.
It was nice of Eddie Feigner (the King) to answer your query on Jay Hunter and Doug Potts. Was sorry to hear about Jay Hunter passing on. I believe that POTTS and HUNTER were from Southern California. They were both really good ballplayers, and I believe that both played college baseball. I roomed with Doug Potts for a short time before my wife came over, but can't recall his hometown. Actually, he may have shipped out about the same time, because I recall buying a bunch of LP's from him so he would not have to take them home. I think that Jay Hunter, and Ted (PJ) Nelson, also played on the Tk #3 basketball team that won the Manzarali Station Basketball tourney in 1963. I still have the marble-based trophy for that championship. As a matter of fact, either the CO or XO saw us play and asked me to play on the Site team. Of course the jocks in Special Services (who had as good a job as the Bulgarian linguists that I have been reading about - come on guys, two days on and five off!!!) did not take kindly to an outsider taking away playing time from one of their own, so during a practice I got undercut going in for a layup and spent several days in the infirmary with a knee the size of a melon. I just never went back to practice, and went back to the Tk #3 schedule. Those Special Services guys had it made, though!

Prostrate trouble
Phil Kelly's e-mail about his operation reminded me of my own experience that some of you may be interested in. In his e-mail , he mentioned a 4.2 positive PSA test; my own PSA test was in the low 4's also. His concern over a 4.0 was proper, but not all cases result in a positive biopsy. In my case, the doctor took the samples (10 of them), and they all turned out negative. What a relief! However, my reason for writing this is to alleviate any concerns about the sampling technique. It was done on an out-patient basis, and I drove to and from the hospital myself. Taking the samples is not painful, merely uncomfortable, holding your knees doubled up to your chest. A camera and a snatching tool is inserted into your anus, and they proceed to take samples through skin into your prostate. As I said, uncomfortable. Please give a blood sample and have it tested for a high PSA level. There are "quite a few" false positives, but better that, than not knowing that you have a cancerous prostate. Phil Kelly’s recommendation for an annual test should be a no-brainer for anyone who was in the "top 10%" of all those who enlisted in the Army.
My Dear Friend Calvin Pope
A fine guy, a good friend, and a rounder. He and I lived next to each other in Ankara. We both rented places on Tunalahilmi (sp?) Street before the wives came over. (And after, of course). You can imagine that the places were busy on the weekends and between the shifts! That was when the bathtub was full of beer and ice. We were too cheap to have the electricity hooked up, so we played cards with candles for lighting. (Had to save the money for beer). Then the wives came over and that changed things. substantially. Anyway, Calvin found a way to make a lot more money and it involved some major purchases at the PX, and other places, and then a quick turn-around to the local economy. The problem was that he became too big a player and the Turkish police became aware of him and apprehended him. This was a major problem, and they threw him into the Turkish jail. Chaplain DeVanney , Hubert Humphrey, and several other notable political figures became involved, but to no avail. He went through several trials, his wife Diane went back to the States, and there he stayed. Hence my reference to the movie Midnight Express. He said it was all too true to life! I believe it was several years before Diane could "buy back" his sentence for $X/day. I don't know how much she eventually paid out to the Turkish government. He eventually got out and went home to Diane in Summerdale, AL. We visited them once for a week and had a great time shrimping, dove hunting, fishing, beering, dog races, etc. However, they had a falling out and divorced. And that's what I know about my friend Calvin.

Plan on retirement on 3 January 2003, then back to Bemidji in Northern MN sometime after that, so will have time to do some traveling then. The 2003 reunion is not entirely out of the question - times and circumstances change. But with the wife and I retiring in January 2003 (both 64), the vacation time is extra money in the pocket, and the vacation time itself is a little short this year. But who knows? As I said several friends are going and I know that I would enjoy myself, and meeting all the contributors to these "Days". See you.

What a wonderful job you have done! The roster is mind-boggling! I cannot imagine the work that went into it. How can the reunions not be a success. Again, thanks for all your work. This has been a lot of fun. By the way, you and the wife look like a lovely couple that is enjoying life! Sorry that I missed meeting you both. Perhaps in 2003.

RODRIGUES, Charlie, E4, Supply, Det 4, 59-60, 210 Benham Ave., Syracuse, NY 13219, 315-487-1195, - Hi Elder.... Read about hunting trip, but nothing about sucess of said
trip?? Found License Plate at (1-877-8091659) (Proud ASA Vet) Item # 24400194. I am ready to meet and see everyone at the 2003 reunion. Can't believe all the time wasted without internet. Later.....CR

YALOVA is a beautiful city in the Marmara region of Anatolia. How many of you Det 4-4 vet's visited the Yalova hot springs south of the Sea of Marmara, about 11 km SW of the town of Yalova. How many took the road trip to Istanbul via Bursa instead of the car and passenger ferries between Istanbul - Yalova (45 minutes journey). On 17th August 1999 a devastating earthquake (7.4 Richter scale) struck the area and killed thousands of citizens

Veterans Benefit Bill S.2237:

* Continue VA health insurance coverage for eligible surviving spouses who remarry after attaining age 55
* Establish a presumption of service-connection for hearing loss associated with certain military skills (to be determined by the VA in consultation with the National Academy of Sciences) and authorize compensation for servicemembers who have a rated hearing loss in both ears.
* Clarify the entitlement to special monthly compensation for female veterans who have service-connected mastectomies.
* Allow the VA to offer adjustable rate home loans to veterans.
[Source: TROA Leg Update 11 NOV 02]

Health Stats for 2000:

A new report issued by the National Center for Health Statistics indicates that American adults are living longer, fewer babies are dying in infancy, and the gap between white and black life
expectancy has narrowed during the past decade. The key findings include:
*In 2000, average life expectancy at birth hit record highs, with men at 74.1 years and women at 79.5 years. A century earlier, life expectancy was 48 years for men and 51 years for women. Those who reach age 65 now live to an average age of 81 for men and 84 for women
*During the past half century, death rates among children and adults up to age 24 were cut in half. Mortality among adults 25-64 years fell nearly as much, and dropped among those 65 years and over by a third.
*The infant mortality rate -- deaths before the first birthday -- has dropped 75 % since 1950, dropping to a record low of 6.9 deaths per 1,000 live births in 2000, down from 7.1 in 1999.
*More than 40% of adults were smokers in 1965, compared with 23% in 2000. Those without a high school education were still almost three times as likely to smoke cigarettes as college graduates.
*Deaths among children and young adults from unintentional injuries, cancer, and heart disease are down sharply. Among working-age adults, fewer are dying from unintentional injuries, heart disease, and stroke. For older Americans, the increase in life expectancy is largely due to the sharp drop in deaths from heart disease and stroke.
*Three in five adults ages 20-74 are overweight. One in four Americans is considered obese. Almost 40% engaged in no physical activity during leisure time, and women were more sedentary than men. One in 10 Americans age 45-54, 1 in 5 of those 55-64 years, 1 in 4 of those 65-74 years, and 1 in 3 of those 75 years and over reported being in fair or poor health.
*Americans spent $1.3 trillion on health care in 2000, or 13.2% of the gross domestic product, far more than any other nation. A third of the health care dollar was spent on hospital care, about one-fifth on physicians, and almost one-tenth on prescription drugs. The cost of prescription drugs increased 15% a year from 1995-2000 -- faster than any other category of spending.
*Hospital stays keep getting shorter: just 4.9 days on average in 2000. Twenty years ago patients spent more than 7 days in the hospital. Sixty-three percent of all surgeries now are performed as outpatient
procedures, with patients being sent home after a short stay in a recovery room. A decade earlier, one-half of all surgeries were on outpatients. In 1980 only 16% were done on outpatients.
*Federal and State government programs - principally Medicare and Medicaid - paid 43% of all medical bills. Private insurance covered 35%, and other private sources paid 5%. Consumers paid 17% out of their own pockets.
The 430-page report, Health, United States, 2002 can be viewed
[Source: Consumer Health Digest #02-42, October 15, 2002]

VA Franchise Program [VetFran]: Owning a franchise operation is now more affordable for veterans, thanks to a program recently announced by Secretary of Veterans Affairs Anthony J. Principi. The Veterans Transition Franchise Initiative, commonly known as "VetFran," allows veterans to acquire a franchise with a down payment of 10 percent or less of the initial franchise cost, which generally ranges from $45,000 to $150,000 for a small business. Franchising companies absorb the difference.
International Franchise Association (IFA), the program's sponsor, first introduced VetFran in the early 1990s as a way for franchisers to express gratitude to military members for their service during the Gulf War. In the last several years, the program had all but been forgotten. The current war against terrorism has rekindled interest in extending franchise opportunities to military veterans. A Hawaii veteran recently became the first to acquire a franchise under the revitalized VetFran program,
obtaining a franchise for Expectec Technology Services, a technology supplier headquartered in Garden Grove, Calif. He paid $40,000 instead of the $60,000 he would have paid without VetFran.
Currently, VetFran is limited to franchises with initial investments up to $150,000, the maximum loan amount on which the SBA offers 85 percent loan guarantees. So far, nearly 75 franchisers are participating. VetFran may expand later to include franchises costing over $150,000, for which the SBA offers 75 percent loan guarantees. Additional information is available on VA's Web page at <>.
[Source: VA News Releases dtd 20 NOV 2002]

How to File Tricare Hospital Claims: When your in the hospital you get two kinds of bills. One is the bill for things the hospital provides. These include room and board, special diets, nursing services, gases, fluids, use of operating room, laboratory, X-ray services and the like. You also get bills from the individual professional providers such as your attending doctor, the radiologist who reads the X-rays, the pathologist who examined the laboratory specimens the hospital collected, and the surgeon. It's easy to confuse all this and refer to it all as your hospital bill. But they are two distinct types of billings. For Tricare, they must be filed separately and are paid differently. You need to tell the hospital upon admission that you have Tricare as your secondary payer assuming you have other health insurance [OHI] or are enrolled in TFL. When the hospital files a claim for its services, it will
file first with your commercial insurer [OHI] and/or Medicare. After that insurer pays its share, the hospital will file a claim with Tricare for the balance. Either you or the doctor must file a claim for each doctor's services. File first with your commercial plan [OTH] if it pays on doctor's bills. After that claim is processed and you receive an Explanation of Benefits [EOB] (payment statement) you may file exactly the same bills for that medical care provider with Tricare.
You must complete a Tricare claim Form 2642, which can be downloaded from the Tricare web site . Attach copies of exactly the same bills that were sent to your OHI and a copy of their EOB showing its processing of those bills. You must file a separate claim for each doctor with your OHI and a separate claim for each doctor with Tricare. If a doctor sends you more than one bill, you may file several bills for that doctor on one claim form. If you have no OHI or it does not pay for doctor's bills you may file your doctor's bills directly with Tricare. Be sure to indicate on the claim form under the OHI section in red marker that your OHI does not pay for doctor's bills if applicable. If still denied and you must refile, try attaching to each claim form a copy of the cover page and the page from the OHI benefit booklet showing it does not cover doctor's bills.
File first with Tricare if you have a Tricare supplemental policy. Upon receipt of your EOB from Tricare submit it along with copies of all Tricare covered bills to your Tricare supplemental carrier. [Source: Navy Times James Hamby article 25 NOV 02]