Subject : DAYS OF OUR LIVES #57
Date : Tue, 12 Mar 2002 01:27:13 -0600
MAIL-call - PRESERVING FORGOTTEN MEMORIES
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Newly found VET's
MEAD, Larry T., E-4,
05H, Det 27, 63-64, (Kathy), 1719S 141st East Ave., Tulsa, OK
74108, 918-437-5854, markc@tulsaepages.com . Had a very interesting
conversation with Kathy. She was working at the US Embassy in
Ankara when they met. They were married in Athens and rotated to
Ft Devens. Larry went to OCS and made Captain and was caught up
in the Reduction In Force that took place after the Vietnam War.
Larry is 60 and both are Christians and enjoying life. The email
address is for their son-in-law
MELI, Charles P., 04-05, CO Det 66, 62-63, (Marjorie),
Sacramento, CA., Talked to Meli on 9 March 2002. Very pleasant
person. Retired as a LTC (05) and has worked in the Sacramento
Postal System as a carrier, clerk and dock person. Is 78 years
young and STILL working 6 days a week for the Post Office.
Remembers Ken Baldwin and said that he was in the Ankara hospital
with a bloody nose when he DEROS'ed.
MENHENNETT, Daniel R. E-6, 71H, Det 27, (Carol), 5309 Aurora Ct SW., Lilburn, GA 30047, 770-381-5933, damtruck@aol.com Dan was a lifer and retired as a E-8
TOLBERT, Henry H. (Hank), SP6, 98CRU, Det 27 and 4-4, MR65-JL68, (Juanita), 4555 Ashmore Cir NE, Marietta, GA 30066-1615, 770-926-1565, tolbert9@aol.com. Hank worked for me and Gene Cram as a T/A Trick Chief. He was one of the few to make E6 on the 1st enlistment (Gary Stolp and Larry Oliver were others that I remember). in Turkey. The AF personnel at Karamursel couldn't believe that such a feat was possible as they were lucky to make E4 on their 1st hitch. Anyway I tracked Hank to Marietta, GA and he didn't remember many people, but was elated that I called and promised to contribute his BIO and remembrances for the missives. Hank has a PhD in Russian Linguistics from Brown University in RI and for the past 21 years has been a tech writer in data pro-cessing at Marietta, GA. Hank was one of the few blacks that served at Manzarali and remembers once when he and Larry Oliver were in downtown (Ulus) Ankara and a Turk said to them, "Yankee's go home." and their reply was, "Pay our ticket and we're outta here." Hank is one of us old geezeers at 58!
FM: Hank Tolbert: Elder,
Thanks for making the effort to track down this ole 98CL63! Your
call brought back some wonderful memories & #8212; some
amusing, some embarrassing, but all memorable & #8212; of my
three and a half-year tour at Manzarali Istasyonu and Esenboga. I
heard from John Arcziszewski and Luis Bolanos shortly after
leaving the Army in the early 70s, but lost contact with everyone
shortly afterwards
.I have lived in Marietta, GA (about 25 miles NW of Atlanta)
since 1981, where I have worked as a technical writer. My wife,
Juanita, is an elementary music teacher who is about to retire
after 34 years in teaching. (How time flies when you're having
fun!) Our son Michael is a 21-year old junior at New York
University. Our daughter Stephanie is an 18-year old high school
senior who has just been admitted to the chemical engineering
program at Georgia Tech. I have attached a copy of our family
newsletter where you can read about the latest scoop on the
Tolbert clan. I look forward to catching up on the stories of the
guys of Tuslog Det [27 and] 4-4! Henry H. Tolbert (770) 926-1565 tolbert9@aol.com
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ATTACHMENTS - check 'em
out!
1. FM: Mixie and Althea Bryan (0128_002)
2. FM: Steve Stephens (Lessons Learned.doc)
3. FM: Tony Antonello (Quiet night Det 27 NCO Club)
4. FM: Norm Frickey (Disney RVN on Roof)
5. FM: Hank Tolbert (chron2K1.pdf)
FM Steve Steohens: Hi Elder, Saw your latest Days of Our Lives #56. I always look forward to the e-mails, and to "sharing" the experiences and current activities. Always a treat to hear how some of our old pals turned out. Also good to hear some closure on villains like Cox and (to a lesser extent) Brisindine. Not surprised that Ken Baldwin seems to have gravitated back to Turkey, with varying degrees of success, both personally and professionally. His life and times could probably serve as a mini-script for a made-for-tv-movie.
For most of us, it was a time of learning and growing up - fast! I will always feel fortunate to have been "invited" to join the ranks of the ASA. I met some truly outstanding men and learned much fomr many of the very best.
Speaking of outstanding, I received the attached "speech" from a retired USAF pal. Thought you might be interested in a read.
Have a great day pal - and thanks again for all your sustained efforts to keep the ASA memories alive and well. As always. Howard "Steve" Stephens, Det 27 12-60 thru 09-62
Sure enjoyed the lyrics and "photos" from the concert.
Thought I would repay
your courtesy on this co,d, rainy afternoon with a copy of an old
tune. No fair looking at the title, but can you identify and do
you remember when? Have a great weekend.
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E-mail changes
John Cruddas, johncruddas@cox.net
Nelson and Sandy Murray, nmurraymx@hotmail.com
Don Salcido, dsalcido2@cox.com
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GET INVOLVED
Fm: Norman Frickey
Subj: Re: Leonard Disney and Stanley R. Owen
Boy, I was thinking the other day about him [Disney] and others with whom I'd worked while in the Army ... and how we sort of met, did our thing, and parted ways -- often without even a thank you. Not because we were rude, but because what ever we did, we just did our jobs the best we could with out expectation.
I'm sure Disney got more
than his fill of me. He was the field 1SG with me at Bragg when I
was CO of the 358th ASA Company (ABN) ... because the other 1SG
(a name I've blocked) was often not available and Disney was a
defacto 1SG most of the time. We were on field exercises
together, jumped out of planes together, went to DC in October to
save the Pentagon from the protesters together and we went to war
together. When the 358th was re-organized and the unit deployed
to RVN in Feb 68 Disney was the semi-top dog -- Field 1SG first
and later 1SG (again, for some reason that escapes me now our
Detachment, supporting the 3 Bde, 82d Abn Division, had an E-9
who stayed with us for a short period and then returned to Bragg
and I don't recall if Disney ever received or wore the coveted
(or dreaded)diamond in RVN). After a couple of years at Bragg and
six month in RVN, I think he was glad for a respite when I was
reassigned to the 8thRRFS in July 68 when I got promoted. [to
Major]. I sort of lost track of him until after I was assigned as
CO Det 4-4. When 1SG Owens left (retirement??) I'll bet Disney
thought he had drawn the short straw again when he saw I was the
CO. He was however, from my perspective, a welcome addition to
the 4-4 officer and NCO cadre. I recall that he was a excellent
soldier; outstanding NCO; and an excellent leader -- I believe he
had a true ASA background and not from another branch -- 05H I
think. It is interesting how, in the Army, one can work so
closely with someone and rely on them so much and they have so
much to do with what little success I had --- yet I know so
little about him; except he got the job done, he was there when I
needed him and he took care of the really important unit assets
-- the men of the unit. You'd think after almost four years
together I'd know more about him than this little blivet, but I
don't. I ran across an interesting picture of him in Vietnam
...he was always on patrol ... in the picture he is on top of our
dug-in ops ctr near Phu Bai. [Thanks for the excellent
remembrance of Leonard R. Disney. Norm & Sharon Frickey live
at Fort Morgan, CO. Norm is a retired USAR Colonel.]
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FM: Tony and Val Antonello: Hi Elder and Patty, Tony and I were
giving closer perusal to the picture of the belly dancer and
think it was probably a New Year's Eve party (notice the party
hats on the people in the background). We also think that the two
ladies sitting to the right of the belly dancer are Beth Gammell
and Patty Green. Could this be? We are searching through old
pictures to see if we can find any more of interest to the
partygoers (as opposed to the sporty types)! Val Antonello. [I've
attached the BELLY DANCER photo hereto - and PATTY says NO!
that's not her. If it is her, then that's me dancing behind the
Belly Dancer. In my younger years I've been known to do things on
a dare!!!!
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FM: Bill Hartranft
Hi Elder, What a treat to hear from you. Now I have a voice to go with the pictures you've sent.
I see you added my
Comcast dump to your missive. If you noticed, I cc'd their
customer service on that note. Had an email the next day. Gave
details and was "awarded"...actually given back, two
months of free service for time it wasn't available. I still
meant all that I said, I'm no fan of Comcast but right now, it's
the only real game in town. DSL from VZ isn't available to me. Be
well, have some fun and do something nice for yourself today. wdh
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FM: Gary Jorgensen
gH, I got the same
response sending to John Randall mailbox full. I know he has kids
scattered from Milwaukee to Mpls, so it's possible he is out of
town. I'll wait a few days and try again, also he may be
switching providers which seems to be happening alot these days.
We finally got winter here in MN. Spent a couple days riding my
snowmobile. Gotta be careful west of town because the deer are
really thick and on the trail. It's an old railroad bed
blacktopped and used by bikers and roller blades in the summer.
It goes through a state park so the only hunting is a special
muzzleloader season in Dec to thin the herd. My wife and I rode
today on the north shore trail out of Duluth that they also hold
the John Beargrease sled dog race every year. Lots of rolling
hills that parallels Lake Superior for about 200 miles.
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Your Opinion Counts
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Did y'all know that:
From: Nelson and Sandy Murray
Subj: Re: AARP CONCERT ~~this is good,
Hey there. I am changing my e-mail address, so please change your
address list to nmurraymx@hotmail.com . M N (Butch) Murray
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CHOCOLATE MATHEMATICS
This is pretty neat how
it works out.
This is cool chocolate math!!!!!!!
DON'T CHEAT BY SCROLLING DOWN FIRST!
It takes less than a minute.......
Work this out as you read.
Be sure you don't read the bottom until you've worked it out!
This is not one of those waste of time things, it's fun.
1. First of all, pick the number of times a week that you would like
to have chocolate. (try for more than once but less than 10)
2. Multiply this number by 2 (Just to be bold)
3. Add 5. (for Sunday)
4. Multiply it by 50 I'll wait while you get the calculator......
5. If you have already had your birthday this year add 1752....
If you haven't, add 1751 ..........
6. Now subtract the four digit year that you were born.
You should have a three digit number ......
The first digit of this was your original number (i.e., how many times
you want to have chocolate each week).
The next two numbers are ...........YOUR AGE! (Oh YES, it IS!!!!!)
THIS IS THE ONLY YEAR
(2002) IT WILL EVER WORK, SO SPREAD IT AROUND WHILE IT LASTS.
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Fm: Dumbo lstupid1@starpower.net
Subj: Health Alert
At least my kids will know what's wrong with the old
geeezers......
Health Info: The long
term implications of modern drugs must be fully considered. Over
the past few years, more money has been spent on breast implants
and Viagra than is spent on Alzheimer's Disease research, it is
believed that by the year 2030 there will be a large number of
people wandering around with huge breasts and erections who can't
remember what to do with them.
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FM: Jeff Gammon
Subject: FS Berlin Reunion
Greetings! For some of you this will be a repeat message. I was finally able to merge the data base on the web site with my new address book, so for many of you this is new info.
The reunion is set for September 13 & 14 at the Hyatt in Bethesda, MD (1-800-233-1234 for reservations). Rooms are $99/night and the dinner on the 14th is $45/person. Make room reservations through the Hyatt and be sure you tell them you are with the Field Station Berlin group to get the rate. I will collect for the dinner in July.
We will tour the NSA museum and hopefully the White House and Capitol if they have re-opened to the public. The hotel sits atop a metro stop so touring on your own is a convenient option.
Please let me know asap
if you will be attending, how many for dinner, tours, etc, so I
can line up transportation, dinners, etc. Email me or call
707.446.4141, and I will be able to keep you updated with any
changes. Jeff Gammon C Trick 67-70 [Company A, Field Station
Berlin, holds a special place in my and Patty's heart. We really
enjoyed that THREE year Tour of Duty there where I was the 1SG of
Co A. The FSB reunion dates are the same as ours, 13-15 Sept. We
attended a FSB reunion in Maryland about five years ago and
didn't know a soul and both of us felt like OUTSIDERS as we knew
NO ONE and no one attempted to get to know us. That will NEVER
happen at OUR reunion as everyone gets involved and if anyone
leaves HERSHEY without meeting and making friends with everyone
in attendance, then something has to be wrong with that person.
Patty and I can honestly say that we enjoyed the Fort Devens
reunion and made lifelong friends with everyone there. Every-one
was so friendly and we tried our best to be good hosts even
though the 9/11 disaster kept a lotta vet's away- - -gH]
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From: genehamrick@webwizzards.com
A man boards an airplane and takes his seat. As he settles in, he
glances up and sees a very beautiful woman boarding the plane. He
soon realizes she's heading straight towards his seat. Lo and
behold, she takes the seat right beside his.
Eager to strike up a conversation, he blurts out, "Business trip or vacation?"
She turns, smiles and says, "Business. I'm going to the annual Nymphomaniac Convention in Chicago." He swallows hard. Here is the most gorgeous woman he has ever seen, sitting next to him and she's going to a meeting of nymphomaniacs! Struggling to maintain his composure, he calmly asks, "What's your business role at this convention?"
"Lecturer," she says, "I use my experience to debunk some of the popular myths about sexuality."
"Really," he says, swallowing hard," what myths are those?"
"Well," she explains, "one popular myth is that African American men are the most well endowed when, in fact, it's the Native American Indian who is most likely to possess that trait. Another popular myth is that French men are the best lovers, when actually it is the man of Jewish descent. However, we have found that the best potential lover in all categories is the Southern Redneck."
Suddenly, the woman becomes a little uncomfortable and blushes. "I'm sorry," she says, "I shouldn't be discussing this with you. I don't even know your name!"
"Tonto!" the
man says, "Tonto Goldstein! But my friends call me Bubba!
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From: Dumbo lstupid1@starpower.net
Subject: LEE MARVIN AND HIS NAVY CROSS
Dialog From a Tonight Show ... Johnny Carson ... His guest was Lee Marvin.
Johnny said, "Lee, I'll bet a lot of people are unaware that you were a Marine in the initial landing at Iwo Jima ... and that during the course of that action you earned the Navy Cross and were severely wounded."
And you know how Lee was ...
"Yeah, yeah ... I got shot square in the ass and they gave me the cross for securing a hot spot about halfway up Suribachi ... bad thing about getting shot up on a mountain is guys gettin' shot hauling you down. But Johnny at Iwo I served under the bravest man I ever knew ... We both got the Cross the same day but what he did for his Cross made mine look cheap
in comparison. The dumb bastard actually stood up on Red Beach and directed his troops to move forward and get the hell off the beach. That Sergeant and I have been life long friends.
"When they brought
me off Suribachi we passed the Sergeant and he lit a smoke and
passed it to me lying on my belly on the litter ..."Where'd
they get you Lee?"... "Well Bob ... if you make it home
before me, tell Mom to sell the outhouse."....."Johnny,
I'm not lying ... Sergeant Keeshan was the bravest man I ever
Knew ... Bob Keeshan ...You and the world know him as Captain
Kangaroo."
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FM: Philip W. Kelly: Elder, This borders on the political, but if there is a modicum of truth to it, pretty amazing. I'm just forwarding for you to use or not in DofOL
Why and How the Military Salutes President Bush
Have you noticed a difference in the salute given by our military men and women as President Bush walks by? Most folks would not notice anything, but military people see it right away. Watch: when President Bush leaves his helicopter or Air Force One, the honor guards salute and face him as he disembarks, then turn their faces towards him as he passes by. They continue to salute his back as he walks away. This kind of salute has not been seen in the previous eight years, though it is customary courtesy to the Commander-in-Chief. You see, soldiers aren't required to turn and face the President as they salute. They are not required to salute his back. They are only required to salute. They can remain face-forward the entire time. And that is what they did during Bill Clinton's entire Presidency.
Our soldiers were forced to obey Clinton's orders, but they were not forced to respect him. From their salutes, we can surmise that they did not. Why is such respect afforded to President Bush? He doesn't even know how to bite his lower lip and get teary-eyed whenever he speaks! The following incident from Major General Van Antwerp may give us an insight. Gen. Antwerp is president of the Officers' Christian Fellowship. He lost nearly all his staff when the Pentagon was attacked Sept.11. His executive officer LTC Brian Birdwell was badly burned and in the hospital when President Bush visited him.
Our President spent time and prayed with Brian. As he was getting ready to leave, he went to the foot of Brian's bed and saluted. He held his salute until Brian was able to raise his burned and bandaged arm, ever so slowly, in return. The Commander-in-Chief never initiates a salute, except in the case of a Congressional Medal of Honor winner. The injured soldier did not have to return the salute. But he did, out of respect to his President - a Soldiers' President. Congressman JC Watts (R. Oklahoma) said, "Character is doing the right thing when nobody is looking.
In this time of war and danger, I am so grateful to have a President whom the soldiers salute - fully." On Special Report with Brit Hume, at the close of the show when they normally have some funny video clip, they showed President Bush and the First Lady on their way to Marine One to leave for Camp David for the weekend. As the video starts, the First Lady is leading the way into the helicopter with the spaniel dog on the leash, and the president is right behind her with the Scotty on the leash. As the First Lady entered the chopper, the Marine at the gangway saluted and held his salute. The Scottie the President was walking decided it wanted to squat right when he got to steps. The president pulled on its' leash, but the stubborn Scottie persisted in squatting. The President bent down and scooped up the pooch and entered Marine One. After he entered, the Marine cut his salute and returned to the position of attention.
Moments later the
president reemerged from the helicopter and out onto the steps.
The Marine was standing at attention, head and eyes straight
ahead. The president leaned over and tapped him on the left arm.
The startled Marine turned his body toward the president and
received his returned salute! I was so impressed by this true act
of respect for our military people by our president! He really
does get it. Most any other person of his stature would have just
continued his journey, disregarding the neglected return salute.
Not George W. Bush. He is earning the respect of the military
community, not expecting it - as most would. As A Veteran, I
appreciated this story, hope you all do too.
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Subject: An Opinion on
the Plight of Detainees from Afghanistan
I was just reading Yahoo news and the San Antonio Express
newspaper. You know what upsets me? People with absolutely
nothing to do with their lives, so they complain about how the
U.S. is treating the prisoners or "Detainees" from
Afghanistan.
Do you know why they are
complaining? They see a picture on the news or the internet and
they see someone who is shackled and
blindfolded and walking with two armed guards behind razor wire.
This picture tells them they are treated unfairly.
Here is what I see....
I see a thin, sickly
looking person who under severe mental duress from being bombed,
was cleaned up, given a haircut to prevent
infestation of parasites, and given new clothes and shoes to
wear.
I see a person who is given three nutritious meals per day and a bed to sleep in a tropical climate, not the cold desert floor of Afghanistan, eating worms, bugs, and goat.
I see a person who will be able to get relief from their pains and illnesses without paying a dime for medical expenses. They will get rest, educated, and their mental stress levels will have dropped tremendously because they were taken out of a combat area and will not be shot at again.
I see these people
blindfolded and shackled behind razor wire. I have the
intellectual ability to understand why they are this way.
For those that do not have this ability, let me explain it to
you. They are blindfolded to protect OUR U.S. SOLDIERS from
further
harm. These people cannot plan to destroy something if they
cannot see it.
They are shackled because these same people have proven they will easily give up their lives to kill just ONE AMERICAN.
We are protecting their
life as well as our own. The razor wire is a mental deterrent,
just like the little alarm company warning signs
most of you out there have on your home, but don't have the
actual alarm system. You would think many times over before
actually
trying to cross that razor wire.
For all of you people out there thinking how bad these poor detainees have it under such strict guard, you need to do a lot more thinking about other things in your life.
I was born on September 11th, 1966, and every birthday I have from now on will never be a happy one. Why, do you ask? Because as I am out somewhere trying to have a nice dinner, someone will have a candle or a ribbon or something, crying about the anniversary of a national tragedy.
And then I will think, about how insignificant my one little birthday actually is compared to everything else that had happened on that one day.
It boggles my mind that there are actually people out there in this world, in leadership positions, head of companies that actually think that we are doing something wrong when it comes to protecting our nation and our people. These same people will be the first ones to complain about something that happens to them when they are vacationing outside this country. They will ask why the U.S. does not do anything about their misfortune. These are the same people that complain about taxes and how bad their lives actually are. If you receive this E-mail, please pass it on to everyone in your address book. I am not afraid or ashamed to speak my peace.
I am an American, my father fought for this country, and was willing to die for it.
Dr. Steven Tomaselli
Uvalde, Texas
United States of America
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From: Philip W Kelly
Subject: U.S. Naval Museum of Armament & Technology
Elder,
This is where I work here in California. I'm a small purchase buyer for the Public Works Department here (in my last few years, I hope). I have lived in this area since I was 11 years old, going to Turkey at 18 was my first look at the rest of the world. My father worked here for the DOD when we were busy developing missles for the fleet for Korea and Vietnam.
Phil
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