Subject: Days of our Lives #37
Date: Thu, 20 Dec 2001 08:28:18 -0600

From: James M. Findley, jmfindley@g2a.net   Subj: Ekmek
Guys, With all the talk on TV about Ramadan, I'm sorta' surprised that I haven't seen anything from any of the guys about the special bread baked only during Ramadan. I used to cover the top w/butter, put in the oven to melt & eat it as a meal.  Super great bread!! We befriended a family on Ay Sokak, in Yalova, the Kanmaz family.  Kanmaz Bey told me about Ramadan.  He told me that Jesus was considered a Moslem prophet & that Ramadan was sorta' a Moslem Christmas.  My westernized, commercialized mind decided that we gotta' get these people some Christmas presents for Ramadan! On the big day, when Moslems break their month long fast, we showed-up @ their doorstep w/presents for the entire family.  They were totally surprised.  I told them that it was our custom to give presents to our special friends @ Christmas, and since this was their "Christmas" ...  They were thrilled! I worked 2nd shift on Christmas Eve & had to go back into work the next day.  After only a few hours sleep Christmas morning, there was a loud knock on the door.  It was the Kanmaz family, including grandma & Aunt Shengu, dressed-up like they were going to Attaturk's house.  They brought presents for our family because we were their special friends.  THIS IS THE WAY IT IS SUPPOSED TO WORK! Happy, Peaceful, Safe & Fun Holidays to all. Mike Findley/Rhinelander, WI/SP4/05H/Tk#4Det 4-4/15OC68-15OC70
[[Mike - Just curious, but what kind of present did U get your friend Nasif Kurul for Ramadan? U have an amazing memory & your Ramadan remembrance shud bring a lot of comments fm others who lived in either Ankara, Karamursel & Yalova during their ASA TOUR of DUTY in TURKEY. Is it true that our memory has not aged at the same rate as deterioration elsewhere in our body? Even though Mike is a missionary cheesehead, he is as BIG a Chicago Bears fan as I am a Pittsburgh Steelers fan.  Also, Mike has been one of the best contributors to these missives and it was because of him that I call the current missive "DAYS OF OUR LIVES".  For the NEW GUYS, the earlier missives were titled:  "HOURGLASS" and "FOCK ROCK respectively and most of the data therein is in the MEMORY BOOK - - -gH]] --------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------  
Fm: Claude E. Vannoy
vace Subj: Re: Homer J. Butler Hey Elder, I talked with Col Butler yesterday  afternoon. The information you have on him at Pinehurst was correct. I asked him about  the house at Banner Elk,NC and he said it used to be his but he sold it. We had a very enjoyable discussion.  I told him about the efforts of you and a few others in uniting so many Det 27 veterans over the internet and arranging for the reunion at Ft Devens. He seemed to be amazed at your efforts and success. I told him your next reunion would be at Hershey, PA and he seemed interested. He said they are moving to a retirement community in Silver Spring, MD around April of next year.  They have a son and daughter living at Gaithersburg, MD. I gave him my phone number so we can stay in contact. Hope this info is helpful for you. Merry Christmas, Claude E. Vannoy/North Wilkesboro, NC/MAJ-Opns Officer/Det 27/JN65-JN68 [[Tks & a Merry Christmas & a Happy and healthy 2002 to U and Ginny]] ---------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------
From:
Rex Lardner Subject: RE: Manzarali, Det 27 reunion group
Elder:Many thanks for getting in touch with me over this past weekend...sorry for the confusion in the e-mail address... I was stationed at Manzarali from May, 1966 to December, 1967 as a 1st Lt., Special Services Officer...I remember Jim Hatmaker as a terrific all-around athlete but in some trouble most of the time...for the past six years I've lived in Chicago and work for a company entitled 'Intersport.' We're a television sports marketing and production company. I'm divorced with two grown boys (23 year old lives in Colorado; my 20 year old lives with me in the suburb of Wilmette)...hope we can keep in touch...have a great holiday season..Rex Lardner
[[Tks for the call back.  Patty said that U were a true gentleman on the phone.  U are now on the email listing and w/b rx'ing the 5.6MB Memory Book fm Troy Usher in the near future if everyone cooperates in the timely mailing of the CD-R]]
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Fm: Dave Cribbs,
DBMJL@aol.com Subj: Re: Days of our lives #35 Dear Elder:  Greg Kearney sent me the wonderful CD..I have spent hours going back over the many names and slowly the memory does come back.  I reported to KAS in May of '70,  My wife, Barbara, joined me in September and we lived in Karamursel until our discharge in July,'72.  Our first child was born 5 weeks earlier in Ankara.  We now have 3 chillin's but none of the others deliveries were quite like Marcs in Ankara  My MOS was O5H20 and I I sat OJT with Greg Kearney who thru another site have been reunited with these past few years.  In Karamursel our immediate neighbors were all in the AF and we hear frequently from most of them....not that many Army couples lived in Karamursel.  Bill Bender and his better half, Dave and Lori Humbdy, Frank and Peggy Febrey, Randy and Judy Stock.  We have also kept up with Larry and Barbara Yerkes .  I spoke with Bill Bender a few months ago in reference to the reunion and had just started a new job and felt I couldn't get away. The tragic events of 9/11 have drastically altered my stupid reason for not going.  I have been in municipal bond sales for the past 20 some odd years and I knew many of the guys who were with Cantor...and now, given a chance to be with some old friends and job..I'll opt for seeinig old friends.  Thanks again, Elder, we look forward for the opportunity of attending the next (I hope) reunion.  Sincerely, Dave Cribbs/Charlotte, NC/05H/Det 4-4 
[[Welcome aboard Dave. I'm glad that U enjoyed the Memory Book.  To make it complete insofar as U are concerned, I will need your BIO regarding your TOUR OF DUTY AT KARAMURSEL AND THEREAFTER.  Do U have the USPS and, hopefully e-mail addresses for the above mentioned ASA friends fm 4-4?  If so, I'd appreciate the same and THANKS- - -gH
Fm: Dave Cribbs,
DBMJL@aol.com Subj: Re: The Memory Book ........but tell me where you want the CD sent ..  Dave Cribbs .........Please mail the Memory Book CD-R to Art Handy, 603 15th St., Tybee Island, GA 31328  For Art Handy: Please download or print the 5.6MB Memory Book, then mail to Nathan Hamrick, 821 Rayston St., Deltona, FL 32725 For Nathan Hamrick: Please download or print the Memory Book, then wait for me to send U another TUSLOG Vet name to mail the CD to. For Dave, Art & Nate:  Please expedite the mailing & your immed attn on this w/b greatly apprec. Thanks- - -gH
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Fm: Mark Hamilton
hama@iag.net Subj: Memory Book/Address List gH:  I think you asked me a while back where I sent the memory book after receiving and downloading it.  I sent it to Ron Stackowicz in MI.  Also, I am cleaning up my ASA address book and have taken the liberty of adding the many new names from your recent Days of our Lives e-mail header.  I've also got some recent additions to the web site roster and will add those too.  Should have it done by tonight and will be sending a test message to verify addresses and check for those who don't want to be on the list.  Looks like the 2002 reunion will be in my plans.  We'll be moving to
Cincinnati this summer (I start up there 1/2/02) and I'll be able to drive it. Lot of new picture to be added to the site.  I've just finished scanning to CDs all remaining slides from Turkey and Site 23 and am in the process of cleaning them up on Photoshop.
Mark Hamilton/Orlando, FL/SP5/71B/Det 27/JL64-DE66 [[Mark:  It is A-OK to use the names, addresses and e-mail's fm my Master Roster for your web-page. Mark's web-site:
http://www..images-by-markhamilton.com/ManzaraliVets]]
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Fm: Robert Dandridge Elder,  I'm glad there are smarter people out there than me!!!!  I really apologize for all the aggravation I caused.  Next time I'll double check with McAfee or Symantec.  Only reason I sent was because I thought it was a reliable source.  Hope all have a Merry Christmas and a Happy New Year.Bob D.
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Fm: Douglas R. Potts
escapen@eudoramail.com Subj: Re: Virus Alert
I am not sure what is going on, but checking with the Microsoft website, the file you mentioned is a needed file. "Sulfnbk.exe is a Windows utility that is used to restore long file names. This utility is not required to run Windows, but it is necessary if you need to restore long files names if they become damaged or corrupted "
That discription is directly from the Microsoft website. It looks like someone is trying to get people to erase that file. Maybe that is the virus. Please advise.Doug Potts/San Diego, CA/ [[Doug played out- field for "The King and his Court",  Softball Team. Doug have U received the Memory Book yet fm Don Salcido?]]
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Fm: Mark Hamilton
hama@iag.net Subj: RE: Virus Alert gH:  Now that I've removed the file from my computer, can someone out there send me a copy of it so I can replace it.  I ran my Norton Unerase and have wiped all traces of it from my machine.
P.S.  Thanks for the updates on Jimmy Nolan and Ken Binns.  I worked for Nolan and his boss, Dooley for many months in S4 and knew Ken quite well. I've contacted them both and invited them to visit our web site.  I have not forgotten the site but with an upcoming major job change and other items, it has not gotten the attention it deserves.  I'll have some time after the first of the year to start tweaking it again. Mark Hamilton[[SEE below on how to retrieve it]]
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Fm: Clark L Bryan <
mix1bryan3@juno.com> Subj: Re: Virus Alert/your guess is as good as mine This virus alert is a hoax; if you delete SULFNBK.EXE, you will be deleting a part of Windows.  IT IS NOT A VIRUS.  See the following address at McAfee for details:
http://vil.mcafee.com/dispVirus.asp?virus_k=99084 & Please let anyknow know that may have deleted the SULFNBK.EXE file from their computer.
--- The following is cut from the McAfee site: ---
In the event that SULFNBK.EXE was deleted erroneously, the following method may be used to restore the file from backup:
-- Windows 98 Instructions --
1) Click START - RUN, type SFC and hit ENTER
2) In the "Specify the system file you would like to restore" field, type
C:\WINDOWS\COMMAND\SULFNBK.EXE and hit ENTER
3) In the RESTORE FROM field, type in the path to your WINDOWS CAB files (ie. C:\WINDOWS\OPTIONS\CABS)
(ie. D:\WIN98 where D is the drive letter assigned to your CD-ROM)
4) Click OK and continue with the restore function
-- End Windows 98 Instructions --
-- Windows ME Instructions --
1) Click START - RUN, type MSCONFIG and hit ENTER
2) Click the Extract Files button
3) In the "Specify the system file you would like to restore" field, type
C:\WINDOWS\COMMAND\SULFNBK.EXE and hit ENTER
4) In the RESTORE FROM field, type in the path to your WINDOWS CAB files
(ie. C:\WINDOWS\OPTIONS\INSTALL)
5) Click OK and continue with the restore function
-- End Windows ME Instructions --
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Fm: JAMES A HARBER
jimharber@juno.com Subject: Re: Virus Alert gH,  That virus alert is another of the many hoaxes that come along... There is a web site which can validate the hoaxes... When I received your message, I checked my files and find the file does in fact exist on my WIN98 System... but I also noticed the file creation date of May-98, which is the month my system was manufactured.... bingo, the light bulb came on... I went to the hoax site and sure enough, just a hoax..... unless of course you receive this file 'sulfnbk.exe' as an attachment to an Email.... then, delete the attached file...  otherwise, do not delete this file as it is a part of the Windows operating system...   It is a utility used to restore long file names on the Start menu, when it is replace with MS-DOS- compatible (short) file names in 8.3 format.  
FYI...
You may want to do this check before propagating messages to the mass.... There are many sites available for this, but tonite, I just keyed inhoax and picked out one from TREND MICRO HOAX ENCYCLOPEDIA, and this sulfnbk.exe happened to be indexed on main page....   When I opened the info for facts, it read exactly as the hoax being circulating..This link for this hoax will also show you how to recover the Windows file if you followed the hoax to erase..
Here is link: 
http://www.antivirus.com/vinfo/hoaxes/hoax.asp 
Regards,
Jim
P.S.
Have been mighty busy lately, both at work & home.... but I do want to take a moment to send our Congratulations to you & Patty on your son's accomplishments... you should be really proud.... and I know that you are.... The best to you & Patty for an excellent job in parenting
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Fm: Ron Stachowicz,
ronstack@home.com Check this site in regards to the is virus !!
http://urbanlegends.about.com/library/blsulfnbk.htm?terms=sulfnbk.exe ---------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------
Fm: The Wellness Connection <
wellconn@consultant.com> Subj: Re: Re: Fw: Virus Alert.............This little trick may help....... Stop your address book from being attacked. This works for "Outlook Express" and may work for other email programs: go to "new contact". Where it says "first name", type in "!000" (without the " marks). That's not 1000, it's !000. Go to "email address" and type in "wormvirus". Click "OK" and that's it. What you did was create an invalid email address in the first position of your email address book. A virus will take the first address and not be able to deliver due to the invalidity of the address. It will NOT attack the second address. Does this work 100%? I don't know.
Thom Leonard
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Fm: Elder RC Green,
ercgreen To: Anthony Cady Cc: Ray Crist ; Troy Usher ; Ray Bernstein ; bbender@tobias.inc ; Peter Edmond ; Ron Stachowicz ; Howard C. Stephens SR. Subj: The MEMORY BOOK ROUTING INSTRUCTIONS U writeL 
Hi Elder, I received the CD-R from Bill Hartranft last week and it sure brought back a lot of memories.  You guys did one great job, and I can appericate the amount of work involved.  Please let me know whom you wish to send a copy to next. best regards, Tony Cady, Det 27,11/62-4/64
Tony: Please include the following FORWARDING INSTRUCTIONS:in the CD-R package. FOR:  TONY CADY - - -Please mail the Memory Book CD-R to Ray Crist, 216 Ridge Rd., Jersey Shore, PA 17740 FOR: RAY CRIST - - -Please download or print a copy, then mail the Memory Book CD-R to Troy Usher, 8507 Craighill Ave., Dallas, TX 75209 FOR: TROY USHER - - -Please download or print a copy, then mail the Memory Book CD-R to:  Rex Lardner, 307 Ridge Rd., Wilmette, IL 60091.  Please mark the package Det 27 Memory Book and include a note for Rex to acknowledge receipt of the Memory Book and for him to mail the CD-R to me:  Elder RC Green, 3094 Warren Rd., Indiana, PA 15701 FOR: RAY BERNSTEIN, BILL BENDER, PETER EDMOND, RON STACHOWICZ and STEVE STEPHENS:  PLEASE INFORM ME IF U HAVE RECEIVED THE MEMORY BOOK OR NOT.
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Fm:
Lakemere@aol.com Subject: Re: The MEMORY BOOK ROUTING INSTRUCTIONS Hi Elder.  I have not received the Memory Book.
Peter Edmond

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Fm: Raymond S Bernstein
raysbern4@juno.com Subj: Re: The MEMORY BOOK ROUTING INSTRUCTIONS Thats a negative on the memory book.  Did not Know I was getting one
Ray Bernstein/Manassas,
VA/SFC/Det27@66
[[U were initially sked to rx the Memory Book fm Bill Bender, but something went haywire along the way.  I will sked Harvey Richard to mail the Memory Book CD-R to U.- - -gH]]
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Fm: DPhil777@aol.com Subj: Re: Memory Book Yes received same last week but have not as yet opened. Will run it later  this week.. To whom do want it forwarded ?  I have one name Joe Schafer, Tinley Park. IL... Happy Holidays,   Don Philbrick [[FOR DON PHILBRICK: Please mail the Memory Book CD-R to Joe Schafer, 9354 Drummond Dr., Tinley Park, IL 60477 FOR JOE SCHAFER:  When U receive the CD-R please send that fact to me.  Then either download or print it.  Then mail the CD-R to: Peter Edmond, 169 Lakemere Dr., Southbury, CT 06488. FOR PETER EDMOND: When U receive the CD-R please send that fact to me. Then either download or print it.  Then safeguard the CD-R until I send U instructions on where to mail it next.- - -gH]]

Fm: ercgreen To: Hagan, Rocky A (FL51) Cc: Jimmy Q Nolan ; 601@kyis.net Subj: The Memory Book Rocky Moran:  Did U mail the Memory Book CD-R to James Q. Nolan, 814 North Ave., Hopewell, VA 23860. For Jimmy Nolan:  When U  rx the CD-D fm Rocky Hagan, download or print the Memory Book and then mail to Ronald Hudson, 608 Miller Ave., Leitchfield, KY 42754 For Ron Hudson:  When U rx the CD-R fm Jimmy Nolan, download or print the Memory and then mail to Elder RC Green, 3094 Warren Rd., Indiana, PA 15701 Please expedite the handling. Many thanks- - -gH -----------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------
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HOWARD C STEPHENS, SR Subj: Re: The MEMORY BOOK ROUTING INSTRUCTIONS Elder, Yup!  I did get a copy of the memory book on CD.  After loading it to my hard drive, I mailed it back to you (a month ago?).  Hope you received the CD by now. Wishing you and yours a very Merry Christmas.As always."Steve" Stephens --------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------
Fm:
ercgreen To: Don & Lois Philbrick Subj: Memory Book Hi Friends,  Did U rx the Memory Book yet?  Please inform as I've found several new vet's. Thanks- - -gH
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Fm: Dean Cannon,
rasmatas@highstream.net> Subj: Re: Virus Alert///ACTION HERE Elder I read your msg and the msg from Robert Dandrige, I deleted the sulfnbk.exe and recovered it after reading other msg's saying it was bad joke scammed on us. I use Norton 2001 anti-virus. Have a Fine Holiday,from Dean...CUL...
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Fm: Ric Moser
ricmoser@ij.net Subj: RE: Virus Alert The sulfnbk.exe virus is a hoax.  Do not delete the file.  It is one of the many internet virus hoaxes going around and you may cause damage to your system by following the directions.  For further info, go to http://vil.mcafee.com/topViewed.asp.
Ric Moser/Hudson, FL/SP5/05H2L27/Det 27&4-4,67-68 -----------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------
Fm: Roger Glubka
glubkar@kornet.net Subject: RE: Virus Alert This is a virus hoax.  People who delete this file are deleting a valid Windows utility that restores long filenames.  Please click on the VIRUS Hoax link below to verify this information.  You can also check this website all the time to check on the validity of virus warnings and/or hoaxes before sending them on.
http://www.europe.datafellows.com/hoaxes/sulfnbk.shtml --------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------
From:
DPhil777@aol.com Subject: Re: Virus Alert Thanks for the warning. I found it also on my hard drive and followed  instructions to delete. Hope other recipients were able to check it out and  remove it.  Happy holidays to you and yours.  Thanks for all you work on the  reunion project.   Don Philbrick/Humble, TX/LtCol/S4/Det 27,67-68 -----------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------
Fm: Daryl Waite
k9jpq@hotmail.com Subjt: C* Virus, Junk mail, aerial photos, bear joke Elder: It is a mystery why some A.H.s waste valuable time just to make life miserable for others, ie e-mail viruses and now the fakers that con us into virusing ourselves.  How much better life would be if these energies were turned to something constructive.  You have probably noted my subjects start with C* (Turk. flag).  This is added before transmission, ie if I open a virus accidentally, and it sends from the address book, the C* will be missing and be a tip off!  Also, in individual listings, they are prefaced with FRD for friend, ITC for college contacts, etc.  When I access an address, I remove these three letters before transmission.  A virus would not remove the 3-letter code, and address would be invalid.  Just some suggestions.
Junk mail plagues us all.  I now use the hotmail filter, and it works to a degree.  Out of 20 junk mails today, 2 got into the inbox and three from "ercgreen" were classified a junk.  (rescued them back to the inbox.)  Good filter, but still has to be monitored.  At least this way, you can dump all the junk at once.
Nice aerial photo (drawing) in recent mailing.  Aerial photos have been around since before the airplane.  Some were taken from hot-air balloons, and some were even taken with kites and camera with delay triggers.
Recently received pix of 1600 lb Kodiak(?) bear someone bagged in Alaska.  Reminds me of a story I once heard.  Man surprises bear, bear charges, man remembers he had recently come over a barb-wire fence.  Decides to make run for fence, slides under it just as bear jumps for him.  Bear slides 30 ft. down the barb-wire! To make a long story short, he was once a ready teddy. Now, he's a ruined bruin! Daryl Waite/Carthage, IL/SP4/Det 66/DE63-JA65
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Fm: Daryl Waite
k9jpq@hotmail.com Subj: C* Additions A few responses to Hartranft's recent Days entry:
Why does weather have cold and warm fronts, not cool or hot?
Military intelligence - forget it - that one's been kicked around too much anyway!
Why no zeros in roman numerals?  Appears the Romans didn't have a concept of zero.  The concept of a zero was borrowed from the arabic writings during the middle ages, when the West was
leaving the dark ages.  Much ancient literature was preserved by the Arabs, and during the Renaissance much was being translated from Arabic into the European languages.  When in math a zero appeared, the translators merely translated it as a 0, or a hole.  (ref:  TLC / Discovery channels) Note that in Arabic countries, the numerals are not written as 0, 1, 2, 3 ----- but characters have same meanings.  Streetcars and buses were numbered in both styles in my trip to Cairo.
Daryl
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This is pretty neat how it works out.
This is amazing SEX math!!!!!!!
DON'T CHEAT BY SCROLLING DOWN FIRST!
It only takes about a minute.......
Work this out as you read.
Be sure you don't read the bottom until you've worked it out! This is not one of those waste of time things, it's fun (& it's about sex). First of all, pick the number of times a week that you would like to have sex .........(try for more than once but less than 10) Multiply this number by 2 (Just to be bold) Add 5. (for Friday Night) Multiply it by 50 (being a bit stupid)
I'll wait while you get the calculator................
If you have already had your birthday this year add 1751.... If you haven't, add 1750 .......... Now subtract the four digit year that you were born. (if you remember) You should have a three digit number The first digit of this was your original number (i.e., how many times you want to have sex each week). The next two numbers are your age.
IMPRESSIVE ISN'T IT?
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Fm:
LOGSVS@aol.com Subj: memory book hi elder,
I received the cd from bill hartranft last week and it sure brought back a lot of memories.  You guys did one great job, and I can appericate the amount of work involved.  Please let me know whom you wish to send a copy to next. best regards, tony cady, det 27,11/62-4/64

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Walters, William Subj: FW: How Old Is Grandpa? How Old is Grandpa?
One evening a grandson was talking to his grandfather about current events. He asked what he thought about the shootings at schools, the computer age, and just things in general.   The granddad replied, "Well, let me think a minute....... I was born before television, penicillin, polio shots, frozen
foods, Xerox, contact lenses, Frisbees and the pill. There was no radar, credit cards, laser beams or ballpoint pens. Man had not invented pantyhose, air conditioners, dishwashers, clothes dryers (well the clothes were hung out to dry in the fresh air) and man hadn't yet walked on the moon. Your grandmother and I got married first, and then lived together. Every family had a father and a mother, and every boy over 14 had a rifle that his dad taught him how to use and respect. And they went hunting and fishing together. Until I was 25, I called every man older than I, 'Sir' -and after I turned 25; I still called policemen and every man with a title, 'Sir'. Sundays were set aside for going to church as a family, helping those in need, and visiting with family or neighbors. We were before gay-rights, computer dating, dual careers, daycare centers, and group therapy. Our lives were governed by the Ten Commandments, good judgment, and common sense. We were taught to know the difference between right and wrong and to stand up and take responsibility for our actions. Serving your country was a privilege; living here was a bigger privilege.
Draft dodgers were people who closed their front doors when the evening breeze started. We thought fast food was what people ate during Lent. Having a meaningful relationship meant getting along with your cousins.
Time-sharing meant time the family spent together in the evenings and weekends-not purchasing condominiums. We never heard of FM radios, tape decks, CDs, electric typewriters, yogurt, or guys wearing earrings. We listened to the Big Bands, Jack Benny, and the President's speeches on our radios.  And I don't ever remember Any kid blowing his brains out listening to Tommy Dorsey. If you saw anything with 'Made in Japan' on it, it was junk. The term 'making out referred to how you did on your school exam.  Pizza Hut, McDonald's, and instant coffee were unheard of. We had 5 & 10-cent stores where you could actually buy things for 5 and 10 cents. Ice cream cones, phone calls, rides on a streetcar, and a Pepsi were all a nickel, and if you didn't want to splurge you could spend your nickel on enough stamps to mail 1 letter and 2 post cards. You could buy a new Chevy coupe for $600, but who could afford one.  Too bad, because gas was only 11 cents a gallon. In my day grass was mowed, coke was a cold drink, pot was something your mother cooked in and rock music was your grandmother's lullaby.  Aids were helpers in the principal's office, and chip meant a piece of wood. Hardware was found in a hardware store and software wasn't a word.  And we were the last generation to actually believe that a lady needed a husband to have a baby.  No wonder people call us old and confused and say there is a generation gap.  How old do you think I am???? This man would be only 59  !!!!!!!!!!!
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